At the Edge of All Things
<desc>: And then I wanan do Minerva. I like everyone’s little side fiction excursions but I was kind of thinking of a hybrid.
<ppups>: fukkin rite
<neurohamster>: what did you have in mind, desc?
<ppups>: dude if aurie does janis and u do minerva
<ppups>: our cabal dating head of 2 orders
<desc>: I could type up a prologue of Eli giving part of a lecture to give a dab of academic flavor since this is what she spends most of her time doing
<ppups>: should be easy to make peace
<desc>: I imagine her time is like, 50% mysterium 25% cabal ridiculousness 25% sleeper associate instruction
<desc>: She gives a spiel which is vaguely insightful about who she is, then meets up for lunch after with Minerva? or meets up in the Athaneum itself in some research lab?
<neurohamster>: it’s up to you! what would be more appropriate for the vibe you’re looking for?
<desc>: I really just want to have her: reiterate to minerva that she wants the Searchers to be the team going in personally on sanguenay; general wistfulness about not having done field work in forever (which I wanted her to say anyway so tonight was coincidentally perfect foreshadowing); asking about minerva’s ex-husband just out of curiosity.
<ppups>: goldman’s time is probably like 60% dolla dolla bills, 15% silver ladder, and 25% cabal
<desc>: maybe lunch. I keep feeling like they should have a fairly amiable work relationship and I wonder if they should have known each other somewhat via Mysterium beforehand. I’ve never really bothered to spell out whatever precise events led to Elithora coming up to Vancouver because it never seemed important.
<desc>: Something vague about them having had contact in the past might be good. Eli is a Savant and fairly “in” the culture there so I feel like they must be fairly well acquainted by this point.
<desc>: And also they are both history nerd girls who lack traits that would piss each other off / you have to make conversation while your back hurts from leaning over preserved parchments while you try to reverse entropy / etcf
<neurohamster>: I think I mentioned this in the AP thread but I tend to assume that you have a professional relationship with most of the Order in Vancouver, at least the more sociable ones (not like professor reclusive in the tower of doom or whatever, but the students and some of the whip-wielding archaeologist types)
<thomamelas>: Man, our cabal is a bunch of players.
<ppups>: goldman’s vice is envy only because ambition isn’t one of the seven deadlies
<desc>: you did mention it but it has just always been slightly vague
<desc>: they should meet for lunch after being indoors in a dark room for 4.5 hours of people doing slide lectures
<neurohamster>: puppies, you can change that to ambition rite now if you want!
<neurohamster>: the rules give us permission
<desc>: so they go to lunch in a shady warm patio and can drop all the mysterium stuff and bond a bit
<ppups>: maybe i should!
<neurohamster>: desc, true true, I wanted to start you guys in a situation where you learned about stuff at roughly the same rate as your mans so that I could avoid exposition
<neurohamster>: I figured
<neurohamster>: this game is complicated enough without my dumping you into a web of relationships that your characters would understand and you wouldn’t
<desc>: well yeah and it wasn’t really crucial
<neurohamster>: but now it’s been long enough that like
<desc>: and like still isn’t crucial
<neurohamster>: that isn’t really a think
<neurohamster>: er a thing
<neurohamster>: I dunno, what’s crucial? I like nailing down the details about your dudes
<neurohamster>: it helps bring them out
<desc>: I just Ponder the campaign a hundred hours a day and have come to muse over the working relationship of elithora and minerva so yeah now I want to do a scene
<neurohamster>: right and that is rad
<neurohamster>: so I say let’s do dis
<neurohamster>: also I need to kind of…I dunno…bring minerva out more
<neurohamster>: like, the other councilors have fairly outsize personalities
<neurohamster>: except for rattenbury whose characteristic is that he doesn’t
<neurohamster>: so if you have specific questions about minerva, or non specific ones even, let me know because that will help force me to articulate it more
<ppups>: i lose track of who’s who
<ppups>: janis is free council
<ppups>: minerva is mysterium
<ppups>: then there’s…
<desc>: so i dunno. do you want me to write up the intro exposition tomorrow and do a fast scene next week? I have a pretty concrete thing in mind and it might actually do a good reflection on Eli and give some grist for Minerva based n how you want her to react
<ppups>: khatsalano the old native?
<thomamelas>: I suspect we’ll have some fun with the councilers pretty soon.
<ppups>: and he’s… arrow?
<ppups>: rattenbury is silver ladder and the hierach?
<desc>: (it will involve representations of women over the arcs of their life spans and how that reflects Time magic so it might have resonance for both Eli and Minerva both)
<ppups>: and sacerdote is the guardian dude?
<ppups>: what’s his deal
<desc>: and from there I can do super overdue scene with Ell which I think can accomplish two things:
<desc>: 1. let Ell spit some game on where Aurie is at with her vice and valentina and such
<desc>: 2. I had this moment and I was kind of thinking about my vague descriptions of spellcasting and how I portray Elithora’s general existence and there is kind of a lack of actual ritual.
<thomamelas>: Garak trying to get Worf to write him a letter of recomendation to Starfleet.
<ppups>: thats interesting desc
<ppups>: I didnt describe it at all tonight
<neurohamster>: ppups – janis is young asian free council firebrand in beret, sacerdote is old asian guardian spy dude, khatsalano is the indian adamantine arrow, rattenbury is a silver ladder and basically dumbledore
<ppups>: and I was wondering about that
<desc>: Like she is a person who has literally written her name in Arcadia and longs to return there so when Aurie shows up to have a big talk it should 1. sound true for two women who are becoming closer friends for the last while now 2. be more ritually interesting than I typically portray elithora’s actions
<desc>: like, my mage character exists in a world where magic is literally real. she should at least be as witchy as I was when I was 16 and took magic rituals as a kind of performance art and was in love with a wiccan girl, you know?
<ppups>: goldman is not witchy at all
<ppups>: shes too stubborn to turn her back on any of this stuff but she’s a very mainstream person
<desc>: ^ elithora, to aurelia “and then what did valentina say?”
<ppups>: and this is going to sound ridiculous, but its almost a little inconvenient that she awakened
<neurohamster>: no I totally get that
<neurohamster>: if she’s one of these people with A Plan
<ppups>: like, sleeper reality means that to some degree being mainstream is a way to be successful, you’re focusing on what everyone around yoo thinks matters
<ppups>: and now its like
<ppups>: oh by the way none of that matters and you have to join these hippies and weirdos and nerds
<ppups>: and they’re better at what matters than you
<ppups>: desc that is adorbs
<neurohamster>: dat picture
<desc>: it is an accurate summary of the feels
<desc>: that will be an interesting counterpoint to the cabal so far. I think Aurelia is the most engaged with sleeperville.
<neurohamster>: also desc I think I forgot to say that yes I like this plan, write up the presentation and then we will scene with minerva and eli and it will be rad. also send me any questions you have about minerva so I will know what to think about and emphasize
<desc>: I don’t really know exactly how I would peg BJ or Sinon because they are so perma busy with cleaning guns and handling crises.
<desc>: And Elithora has never managed to say anything nice about mundane sleeper life in several months of RPG campaign so
<neurohamster>: Sinon is entirely disconnected from Sleeping, like, he has no real world anymore
<neurohamster>: it’s just jobs
<thomamelas>: Eh, BJ is very much part of the sleeper world too. He teaches, he takes classes. Even his arrow duties involve watching over and protecting sleeper.
<desc>: snooze buttons
<desc>: cant live with em cant live without em
<neurohamster>: desc I dunno if you remember tuesday but you were about to let a vampire eat a lady because it would be interesting. I was curious if that was a thing, if elithora’s values are interesting > life and that is something to do stories about, or if that was just the whisky
<thomamelas>: BJ sees them as potential mages. Thus watch over them like a good shepard.
<ppups>: im really interested to have the first such scene with goldman
<desc>: both, but eli would have absolutely let the chick go for the sake of getting a job done smoothly. Philosophically she has some sympathies for your wooly democractic Free Councils with their werewolf TV shows and stuff
<ppups>: i feel like she wont have thought about it beforehand and will have to sort out what she thinks and feels
<desc>: on the other hand
<desc>: she used to be this awkward chick who bought dopey clothes at target and didn’t know why she was perpetually unhappy and then a trail of books led to Acanthus Awakening so
<neurohamster>: ppups that is definitely something we can do as we play, is bring out Goldman’s inexperience in stuff like that
<desc>: I think she has this sort of bristly attitude towards mundane life. She kind of buys in to all the ridiculous mage shit that goes on. Like, even if she would admit that there is a lot of self-mythologizing, she clings to that because the only alternative she knows is total unhappiness.
<neurohamster>: innnteresting okay
<ppups>: so how does that interact with letting the girl go?
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<ell>: what’s wrong with dopey clothes from target
<neurohamster>: the impression I got is that eli has a kind of left over fear of/contempt for mundane life that maybe gets mixed up in her head with pity for/contempt for sleepers?
<desc>: Well, 1. some other cabal members have dealt with vampires and Eli never has, so her entire conception of them is purely academic and pop cultural. 2. She has a weird fascination with symbolism and pageantry in general and vampires are such utter queens about that. they are unable to stop framing themselves.
<desc>: I think it would be very easy for Elithora to see the jogger girl as essentially an extra on a set until a day or two after when it would hit her.
<ppups>: so its sort of easy for her to accidentally slip into this sort of play-acting mode, where things are all not-quite-real?
<desc>: yes that is an accurate assessment. intellectually, eli likes the idea of making sort of stairways to an actual Awakened truth for sleepers (this is probably how she came to be a mage herself) and it’s part of her antipathy towards the Guardian’s labyrinths.
<desc>: emotionally she has athing.
<desc>: ell: nothing as long as they are well-chosen and fit you well and your like being in your own skin.
<desc>: I imagine young adult Eli not being comfortable in her own skin and wanting something more … ostentatious? less practical than normal daily wear?
<desc>: as it is she lives in a dopey apartment with kind of cheap items and the majority of her income goes to appearance so she can Present Things to the mysterium and council because she wants to play the big baseball game and be viewed as ravishing.
<ell>: I think the jogger presents an interesting picture as to what everyone was thinking of it
<thomamelas>: What as Aur’s reaction?
<ell>: Sinon would have just as soon left the situation alone simply to not rock the boat
<thomamelas>: Except he didn’t.
<ell>: explicitly because he knew you wouldn’t have let that slide, thus that would have rocked a worse boat
<desc>: (pups: yes. she is perpetually one foot out the door to somehow get to the fairy Tower of acanthus so she kind of views all these supernatural things through a story-like lens. She doesn’t really think of the reality of them first, but the aesthetic value first.)
<ell>: Not that BJ knows that, but Justin did say as much
<thomamelas>: Except BJ was going to let it slide. He would have written it up as collateral damage. He wouldn’t have liked it at all, but he has worse things in his closet.
<thomamelas>: Likely he would have waited a month and then began a private war against the local vampires.
<ell>: Aurelia was going to jump at the opportunity to martyr herself
<ppups>: I loved that… Sinon was willing to make huge concessions to appease BJ
<thomamelas>: As a blood offering or killing vampires?
<ppups>: who was resigning himself to huge concessions to appease, in part, Sinon
<thomamelas>: Like a grusome O’Henry story.
<neurohamster>: it is so amazingly appropriate for a white wolf game
<neurohamster>: also I had literally no idea what was going to happen
<neurohamster>: Sinon’s idea about the blood I was like “huh!” and then looked it up and found out about its hallucinogenic properties
<ppups>: that was sweet
<neurohamster>: and it kind of gave the perfect way out of that situation that totally played fair in context
<neurohamster>: and since Sinon is Thyrsus I had it be that she suddenly saw everything as wildly, vividly alive
<thomamelas>: That must have been a horrifying experience to her.
<neurohamster>: she suddenly kind of realized what exactly she is and what she and vampires do and was like D: D: D:
<neurohamster>: which is exactly what all the pomp and pageantry is meant to hide
<thomamelas>: Or why everyone is happier when the Guardians are lieing.
<desc>: something something lies hurt the tapestry something something labyrinths are scrub tier betrayals of beauty
<ppups>: something something
<ppups>: (I’m sorry, I just found that exchange so hilarious)
<ppups>: (I’ll stop calling back to it someday)
<desc>: cat gifs
<ell>: Jake: I was going to do the exact same thing with the blood
<thomamelas>: The cat gifs was perfect.
<ell>: I was seriously miffed that Justin jumped on it first